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  the Book of Enoch and the Nephilim

  by schnell in

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  i've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?

  if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?

  two thirds of heaven, right?

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  breakfast of champions

  So, this is silly, isn't it? If you accept Jude in the canon, you must also accept Enoch, and then revel in the magic and high fantasy therein.

  Here's watchtower's (and I believe other fundamentalist's) work-around for that one:

  Just because it LOOKS like Jude is citing the book of Enoch, doesn't mean it is. There could be another source that both Jude and the Book of Enoch are both citing separately.

  Here we go:

  https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/562-did-jude-quote-from-the-book-of-enoch
  
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  Poopie has recieved new light from latest clam book

  by poopie in

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  on the subject welcome others the new light is i can now have limited association with df and da ones at the kingdom hall not strictl avoidance..

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  breakfast of champions

  What was the new light? And, what is a CLAM?

  CLAM stands for Christian Life and Ministry, so what's being referred to in the OP is the "workbook" produced by the society for the weekly CLAM meeting.

  There is no new light. Just doublespeak in a footnote to an article about welcoming "everyone" at the meetings.
  
  
  
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  All About The Words We Used

  by dubstepped in

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  in the time since i've left the borg behind i've had a few things hit me as to how words were used.

  i'm wondering if anyone else has some similar examples, but here are some things that have made me think:.

  watchtower - my whole life i saw this as a thing of protection from outside evil forces, and then when i left someone pointed out "isn't that what they used to keep people in prison".

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  breakfast of champions

  Ok, strange you brought this up. . . .

  My wife and I were food shopping today, I'm in the baking aisle, dried herbs and spices section. Alluvusudden, this phrase pops into my mind:

  Jehovah's Wife-like Organization

  I have no idea where the hell that came from. I was looking for seasoned salt at the time.
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  John Lewis: Trump isn't a legitimate president

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-lewis-trump-isnt-a-legitimate-president/ar-aalqsqs?li=bbmkt5r&ocid=spartanntp.

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  breakfast of champions

  Ah!

  But he is both legitimate president AND complete asshole at the same time!
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  How do you categorise the Society - Cult or High control religion

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i have often seen many categorise the organisation in different ways.

  some say cult, some say high control religion.

  cult or high control religion?.

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  OUTLAW -- It's more like NO IT'S NOT. . . It says so on jw.borg!
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  Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

  by Skepsis in

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  a month ago i decided to register in this board.

  i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

  i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

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  Wow boc. . . More sacred than God!!! It's going to take some time to absorb this - TEPIDPOULTRY

  It took me a while as well. . . . about four years, actually/unfortunately.
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  Poopie has recieved new light from latest clam book

  by poopie in

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  on the subject welcome others the new light is i can now have limited association with df and da ones at the kingdom hall not strictl avoidance..

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  breakfast of champions

  Not a big POOPIE fan myself, but the footnote is interesting. . . if you appreciate watchtower's doublespeak. . . .

  *Bible principles limit our dealings with disfellowshipped or disassociated ones who may attend meetings.—1Co 5:11; 2Jo 10.

  Weasel words. Complete bullshit.

  It's like saying "Please limit the electrical flow to the light bulb" instead of saying "Turn off the lights!"
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  Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

  by Skepsis in

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  a month ago i decided to register in this board.

  i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

  i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

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  But how can you step down as MS?

  I can't tell you what to do, but here's what happened to me:

  I was an elder, and had a MAJOR emotional breakdown. Started seeing all sorts of doctors. Everyone in the cong knew there was something really wrong with me. The elders were actually quite understanding and I stayed on as an elder for about a year.

  After a year, I had really made no progress mentally. I was still falling apart constantly (I also had no idea yet that I was in a cult). I went to the COBE (or whatever they were called at that point) and tearfully told him I couldn't go on being an elder and that at times I truly felt that there was no god.

  And that was it. Next CO visit I was deleted. Didn't even have to say anything to the CO.

  I guess what I'm saying is that even if you have doubts as to god's existence, they will not DF you, and they will be perfectly willing to have you "step down." However, if you express doubts as to the BORG, you're out.
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  How do you categorise the Society - Cult or High control religion

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i have often seen many categorise the organisation in different ways.

  some say cult, some say high control religion.

  cult or high control religion?.

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  breakfast of champions

  They mean exactly the same thing (at least wrt JWs).

  Perhaps the only difference would be the context in which you're using whichever term:

  If I were an academic writing a paper or giving a talk, I would call JWs a "high-control new religious movement."

  However, whenever I casually talk about JWs with people, I refer to them as a "fundamentalist doomsday cult."

  I have yet to meet anyone who disagrees. . . . .
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  Why do some Jehovah's Witnesses choose to be atheist or agnostic?

  by Cassaruby in

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  "traumatic as the initial transition may be, it can lead to the development of a truly personal relationship with these two greatest friends [the father and the son] .

  .. "whatever sense of 'belonging' that membership in some religious system may create, it can never compare with the power and beauty and strengthening benefit of the intimate personal relationship the scripture presents .

  from reading joseph campbell i've come to understand that there are functions to religion or mythology.

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  For instance say you're an adult and you get out of a cult. -- CASSARUBY

  I love Christ. Jehovah is another matter. He terrorized me with his immoral actions. An old, prudish man hurling plagues, thunderbolts, and mass genocide is not worthy of worship. A male god who suppresed the existing goddess cults will never receive my attention.
  

  -BoCotR